Draft

[bravesirrobin]

I'll stick the list and stuff up here asap, but in the mean time do people think that the in person draft combined with a production line painting type thing is a good idea. we could potentially just run the draft from here as well....

[cardinalsin]

I prefer in person. Admittedly there are fewer of us than in AD, but the experience there nevertheless suggests an e-draft will be long and painful (as does the experience from trying to run IC combat using these forums). Also, in person means we get to meet up and play games

[johandenerad]

Yeah, I'm with the in person. Like, we can announce stuff like "The Revengers' Tragedy are on the clock" and stuff. Painting production line also good idea.

Any idea on provisional date?

[aaron]

Yeah, I'm up for a live draft and painting session. I think I'd prefer to paint my own team after the event but I'm definitely up for painting other people's models.

Hopefully I can grab some paints and tools from my parents' house in order to reduce the amount of stuff we need to buy

Date obviously needs to be after we have all the models we need built and undercoated.

[johandenerad]

Agree that we need the models, but we could build and undercoat them at the Draft.

[aaron]

Building/undercoating at the draft isn't a good idea IMO.

Once built, you need to wait for the glue to dry properly. That'll take at least an hour (more if you need to green stuff a joint on a big guy).

Then the undercoat takes an hour to dry before being suitable for painting.

If we've got to paint almost 100 models, I think we'll quickly run out of time.

[cardinalsin]

I concur: Beej's painting guide, which I follow religiously, suggests allowing quite a bit longer than the above for drying times (I have found they do need a long time to dry), and two layers of undercoat. Plus undercoating is an easy job for one person to do on their own, as it just involves waving a spray can around, then turning the minis over and waving it again!

That said, cleaning and glueing the minis might be a suitable job for the day, if we haven't managed to get that far by then.

[bravesirrobin]

ok cool. we'll move forward on models and when that's sorted we'll take the next step then.

[johandenerad]

Cool, wasn't aware of long drying times. I reckon we should try and get the Draft done asap, to keep up the enthusiasm (I've too much enthusiasm for this than is healthy, I think), so cleaning and glueing minis at the draft would be cool, then maybe do undercoating later. I suppose that means that people couldn't take away their teams on the day, but since some of us wanted others to paint our teams that might not be a problem.

[teplin]

Happy to host, if that's appropriate.

[bravesirrobin]

might well be the best location - since we have people scettered all over. we could host here also - but not sure we'd really have space for the painting production line.

[bravesirrobin]

So this is the draft list for people who didn't look already at the email version

Race	Type	Player	MA	ST	AG	AV	Cost	Skills	Access
Vampire	Blitzer	Vampire	6	4	4	8	180	Hypnotic Gaze, Regenerate	G, A, S
Chaos	Big Guy	Minotaur	5	5	2	8	170	Horns, Mighty Blow	S, (M)
Lizardmen	Big Guy	Kroxigor	6	5	1	9	160	Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail	S
Skaven	Big Guy	Rat Ogre	6	5	2	8	150	Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail	S, (M)
Human	Big Guy	Ogre	5	5	2	9	150	Mighty Blow, Thick Skull	S
Norse	Big Guy	Yeti	5	5	1	8	150	Claw, Disturbing Presence	S
Wood Elf	Big Guy	Treeman	2	6	1	10	150	Mighty Blow, Stand Firm	S
Orc	Big Guy	Troll	4	5	1	9	140	Mighty Blow, Regenerate	S
Chaos Dwarf	Blitzer	Bull Centaur	6	4	2	9	130	Sprint, Sure Feet, Thick Skull	G, S
Undead	Blitzer	Werewolf	8	3	3	8	130	Claws, Frenzy, Regenerate	G, A
Wood Elf	Blitzer	Wardancer	8	3	4	7	120	Block, Dodge, Leap	G, A
Dark Elf	Catcher	Witch Elf	7	3	4	7	110	Frenzy, Dodge, Jump Up	G, A
Norse	Blocker	Ulfwerener	6	4	2	8	110	Frenzy	G, S
Pro Elf	Blitzer	Blitzer	7	3	4	8	110	Block, Sidestep	G, A
Undead	Blocker	Mummy	3	5	1	9	110	Mighty Blow, Regenerate	S
Undead	Blocker	Flesh Golem	4	4	2	9	110	Stand Firm, Thick Skull, Regenerate	G, S
Chaos	Blocker	Warrior	5	4	3	9	100		G, S, (M)
Dark Elf	Blitzer	Blitzer	7	3	4	8	100	Block	G, A
High Elf	Blitzer	Blitzer	7	3	4	8	100	Block	G, A
Pro Elf	Catcher	Catcher	8	3	4	7	100	Catch, Nerves of Steel	G, A
Amazon	Blitzer	Blitzer	6	3	3	7	90	Block, Dodge	G, S
Dark Elf	Blocker	Assassin	6	3	4	7	90	Shadowing, Stab	G, A
Dwarf	Blocker	Troll Slayer	5	3	2	8	90	Block, Frenzy, Dauntless, Thick Skull	G, S
High Elf	Thrower	Thrower	6	3	4	8	90	Pass, Safe Throw	G, A, P
High Elf	Catcher	Catcher	8	3	4	7	90	Catch	G, A
Human	Blitzer	Blitzer	7	3	3	8	90	Block	G, S
Norse	Blitzer	Beserker	6	3	3	7	90	Block, Frenzy, Jump Up	G, S
Norse	Catcher	Runner	7	3	3	7	90	Block, Dauntless	G, A
Skaven	Blitzer	Blitzer	7	3	3	8	90	Block	G, S, (M)
Undead	Blitzer	Wight	6	3	3	8	90	Block, Regenerate	G, S
Wood Elf	Thrower	Thrower	7	3	4	7	90	Pass	G, A, P
Wood Elf	Catcher	Catcher	9	2	4	7	90	Catch, Dodge	G, A
Dark Elf	Thrower	Runner	7	3	4	7	80	Dump Off	G, A, P
Dwarf	Blitzer	Blitzer	5	3	3	9	80	Block, Thick Skull	G, S
Dwarf	Thrower	Runner	6	3	3	8	80	Sure Hands, Thick Skull	G, P
Lizardmen	Blocker	Saurus	6	4	1	9	80		G, S
Orc	Blitzer	Blitzer	6	3	3	9	80	Block	G, S
Orc	Blocker	Black Orc	4	4	2	9	80		G, S
Pro Elf	Thrower	Thrower	6	3	4	7	80	Pass	G, A, P
Skaven	Catcher	Gutter Runner	9	2	4	7	80	Dodge	G, A, (M)
Amazon	Thrower	Thrower	6	3	3	7	70	Pass, Dodge	G, P
Amazon	Catcher	Catcher	6	3	3	7	70	Catch, Dodge	G, A
Chaos Dwarf	Blocker	Blocker	4	3	2	9	70	Block, Tackle, Thick Skull	G, S, (M)
Dark Elf	Lineman	Line Elf	6	3	4	8	70		G, A
Dwarf	Lineman	Longbeard	4	3	2	9	70	Block, Tackle, Thick Skull	G, S
High Elf	Lineman	Line Elf	6	3	4	8	70		G, A
Human	Thrower	Thrower	6	3	3	8	70	Sure Hands, Pass	G, P
Human	Catcher	Catcher	8	2	3	7	70	Dodge, Catch	G, A
Lizardmen	Lineman	Skink	8	2	3	7	70	Dodge, Stunty	A
Lizardmen	Lineman	Skink	8	2	3	7	70	Dodge, Stunty	A
Norse	Thrower	Thrower	6	3	3	7	70	Block, Pass	G, P
Norse	Catcher	Catcher	6	3	3	7	70	Block, Catch	G, A
Orc	Thrower	Thrower	5	3	3	8	70	Sure Hands, Pass	G, P
Skaven	Thrower	Thrower	7	3	3	7	70	Pass, Sure Hands	G, P, (M)
Undead	Catcher	Ghoul	7	3	3	7	70	Dodge	G, A
Wood Elf	Lineman	Line Elf	7	3	4	7	70		G, A
Amazon	Lineman	Linewoman	6	3	3	7	50	Dodge	G
Amazon	Lineman	Linewoman	6	3	3	7	50	Dodge	G
Chaos	Lineman	Beastman	6	3	3	8	60	Horns	G, S, (M)
Chaos	Lineman	Beastman	6	3	3	8	60	Horns	G, S, (M)
Norse	Lineman	Lineman	6	3	3	7	50	Block	G
Norse	Lineman	Lineman	6	3	3	7	50	Block	G
Pro Elf	Lineman	Line Elf	6	3	4	7	60		G, A
Pro Elf	Lineman	Line Elf	6	3	4	7	60		G, A

[bravesirrobin]

Draft Order

1	Grey Wolf	2	Lobey Dosser	3	Teplin	4	Aaron
5	Johan Denerad	6	Cardinal Sin	7	Learned Hand	8	Brave Sir Robin
9	Grey Wolf	10	Lobey Dosser	11	Teplin	12	Aaron
13	Johan Denerad	14	Cardinal Sin	15	Learned Hand	16	Brave Sir Robin
17	Brave Sir Robin	18	Learned Hand	19	Cardinal Sin	20	Johan Denerad
21	Aaron	22	Teplin	23	Lobey Dosser	24	Grey Wolf
25	Grey Wolf	26	Lobey Dosser	27	Teplin	28	Aaron
29	Johan Denerad	30	Cardinal Sin	31	Learned Hand	32	Brave Sir Robin
33	Grey Wolf	34	Lobey Dosser	35	Teplin	36	Aaron
37	Johan Denerad	38	Cardinal Sin	39	Learned Hand	40	Brave Sir Robin
41	Brave Sir Robin	42	Learned Hand	43	Cardinal Sin	44	Johan Denerad
45	Aaron	46	Teplin	47	Lobey Dosser	48	Grey Wolf
49	Brave Sir Robin	50	Learned Hand	51	Cardinal Sin	52	Johan Denerad
53	Aaron	54	Teplin	55	Lobey Dosser	56	Grey Wolf
57	Grey Wolf	58	Lobey Dosser	59	Teplin	60	Aaron
61	Johan Denerad	62	Cardinal Sin	63	Learned Hand	64	Brave Sir Robin

[bravesirrobin]

What do people think about the draft order. The more I think the more muddled I become. Teplin has done some great things with his team in the AD league. Grey Wolf won some tough games against Cardinal Sin. Johan Denerad has played huge numbers of games...

I guess it'll be self correcting in the long run, so we don't need to worry too much I guess.

[johandenerad]

I'm happy wherever I go in the draft order, but I probably shouldn't be below 6th, as I'm pretty convinced BSR and LH are better at the game than me.

237 games online, to be precise. Sadly, I haven't really got much better.